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		<title>By: Heather Shaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heather Shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 21:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Heather Shaw...&lt;/strong&gt;

My name is Haether L. (Morris) Shaw.  I live in Bend, Oregon and my parents are Demmis and Donna Morris.  I have one borther, Jeffry Morris and one sister, Trician Medrano.  I am married to Michael C. (Benninger) Shaw.  We previously lived in the Sacra...</description>
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<p>My name is Haether L. (Morris) Shaw.  I live in Bend, Oregon and my parents are Demmis and Donna Morris.  I have one borther, Jeffry Morris and one sister, Trician Medrano.  I am married to Michael C. (Benninger) Shaw.  We previously lived in the Sacra&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Publishing For Profit &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Amazon-Booksurge Flap</title>
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		<dc:creator>Publishing For Profit &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Amazon-Booksurge Flap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 17:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] blogged before about how the book business may be about to undergo a radical shift, as mass paperbacks in some [...]</description>
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		<title>By: PublishingGuide</title>
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		<dc:creator>PublishingGuide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand your feelings about how Amazon handled the run-up to the introduction of the Kindle, and I, too, prefer DRM free as a model for the future of ebooks. 

But I&#039;m not going to boycott the best reader device yet introduced (I think), because I do believe that ebooks can be the making of the small press, and that the faster we can bring this about, the better. It&#039;s a judgment call, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand your feelings about how Amazon handled the run-up to the introduction of the Kindle, and I, too, prefer DRM free as a model for the future of ebooks. </p>
<p>But I&#8217;m not going to boycott the best reader device yet introduced (I think), because I do believe that ebooks can be the making of the small press, and that the faster we can bring this about, the better. It&#8217;s a judgment call, though.</p>
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		<title>By: emily</title>
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		<dc:creator>emily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:27:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I went with the Sony ereader.  It is less hideous than previous tech.

I would not go Kindle on principle as Amazon summarily tossed all my ebooks off their site to prepared for the Mobi-Kindle market share grab.  I support the most DRM free options available, currently Sony e (reads native pdf tolerably well) and fictionwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went with the Sony ereader.  It is less hideous than previous tech.</p>
<p>I would not go Kindle on principle as Amazon summarily tossed all my ebooks off their site to prepared for the Mobi-Kindle market share grab.  I support the most DRM free options available, currently Sony e (reads native pdf tolerably well) and fictionwise.</p>
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		<title>By: PublishingGuide</title>
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		<dc:creator>PublishingGuide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 01:20:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, yes, the reader is still the weakest link. Then again,  have you tried the Kindle? I must say, this is an amazing little gadget. I&#039;m totally in love with mine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, yes, the reader is still the weakest link. Then again,  have you tried the Kindle? I must say, this is an amazing little gadget. I&#8217;m totally in love with mine.</p>
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		<title>By: emily</title>
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		<dc:creator>emily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:22:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would say your comments are sensible but optimistic, as most forecasting is.  I would add that like most academics (for whom the future is putatively here) the first thing I do after downloading the latest research paper... is print it out.

The first obstacle is, as you say, e-readers.  I have own several and do not use them when i can avoid it.  low contrast, unpleasant things.

Once that happens we shall see just hpw great the power of the &#039;bookness&#039; of p-books is.  Are they obsolete anologue clung to only by real geeks (e.g. vinyl records vs. CDs and downloads), optional depending on lifestyle (e.g. wrist watches vs. just using your cell phone) or just not the same thing despite what logic might suggest (e.g. denim vs. synthetics).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would say your comments are sensible but optimistic, as most forecasting is.  I would add that like most academics (for whom the future is putatively here) the first thing I do after downloading the latest research paper&#8230; is print it out.</p>
<p>The first obstacle is, as you say, e-readers.  I have own several and do not use them when i can avoid it.  low contrast, unpleasant things.</p>
<p>Once that happens we shall see just hpw great the power of the &#8216;bookness&#8217; of p-books is.  Are they obsolete anologue clung to only by real geeks (e.g. vinyl records vs. CDs and downloads), optional depending on lifestyle (e.g. wrist watches vs. just using your cell phone) or just not the same thing despite what logic might suggest (e.g. denim vs. synthetics).</p>
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		<title>By: PublishingGuide</title>
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		<dc:creator>PublishingGuide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you all for a wonderful, substantive discussion. So many great takes on the topic. 

For those of you who raised the topic of POD -- I agree that it&#039;s a great technology, but I don&#039;t agree that it will drop the cost of putting a p-book into the hands of a reader. There are, I think, going to be economies of scale in printing books for a good long time. 

Syndicators, or electronic distributors, who sell to retailers may indeed have a role. That will come into play if readers find a reason to shop at thousands of different e-stores for their e-books. I&#039;m not sure I see a reason for that dispersion to happen. I see plenty of reasons for the stores to open, but not many for the customers to migrate. But it&#039;s definitely something to watch.

The issue of piracy and of defending the existence of writing as a profession is important. When we look at the right way of accomplishing this, I suspect that the answer will be &quot;It depends!&quot; 

I hope you&#039;ll all tune in again and again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you all for a wonderful, substantive discussion. So many great takes on the topic. </p>
<p>For those of you who raised the topic of POD &#8212; I agree that it&#8217;s a great technology, but I don&#8217;t agree that it will drop the cost of putting a p-book into the hands of a reader. There are, I think, going to be economies of scale in printing books for a good long time. </p>
<p>Syndicators, or electronic distributors, who sell to retailers may indeed have a role. That will come into play if readers find a reason to shop at thousands of different e-stores for their e-books. I&#8217;m not sure I see a reason for that dispersion to happen. I see plenty of reasons for the stores to open, but not many for the customers to migrate. But it&#8217;s definitely something to watch.</p>
<p>The issue of piracy and of defending the existence of writing as a profession is important. When we look at the right way of accomplishing this, I suspect that the answer will be &#8220;It depends!&#8221; </p>
<p>I hope you&#8217;ll all tune in again and again.</p>
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		<title>By: Shel Horowitz, Ethical Marketing Expert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shel Horowitz, Ethical Marketing Expert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 14:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think your predictions are pretty accurate. Your time frame may be off, as the Boomer generation will be kicking around for another 40-50 years (and our parents for 20-30), we tend to be pretty good in the disposable income department, and we&#039;re not going to let go of our p-books until you pry them from our cold, dead hands.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think your predictions are pretty accurate. Your time frame may be off, as the Boomer generation will be kicking around for another 40-50 years (and our parents for 20-30), we tend to be pretty good in the disposable income department, and we&#8217;re not going to let go of our p-books until you pry them from our cold, dead hands.</p>
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		<title>By: Frances Grimble</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frances Grimble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 04:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see that e-delivery would necessarily change the typical kind of content delivered. A website, for example, is usually far more like a magazine than a book in terms of its total size and the lengths of the individual works it delivers. There will always be a need for novel-length fiction, and for book-length nonfiction.  There just simply are things you can say in several hundred pages that you cannot say in ten, and things one expert can do that an ad-hoc amateur committee cannot.

As for &quot;collaborative stories&quot;--I&#039;ve actually seen this done a number of times on writers&#039; groups.  It always turns into a game, where each person tries to get the protagonist into increasingly absurd situations that are increasingly hard for the next writer to get the protagonist out of. Likewise, every writer tries to totally change the setting. It&#039;s very funny, but it&#039;s a terrible way to tell a real story.

But, since many people are unanalytical about the value of the free content of the net, seeing the good as much the same as the bad, I think it is important for publishers--regardless of whether they publish e-books or print books--to educate the public as much and as often as possible about the value of works that are professionally researched, written, edited, designed, indexed, etc.  In other words, to have a marketing stance of &quot;you get what you pay for&quot;; that amateur freebies are generally free for a good reason, but that professional works are charged for because they are well worth the money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see that e-delivery would necessarily change the typical kind of content delivered. A website, for example, is usually far more like a magazine than a book in terms of its total size and the lengths of the individual works it delivers. There will always be a need for novel-length fiction, and for book-length nonfiction.  There just simply are things you can say in several hundred pages that you cannot say in ten, and things one expert can do that an ad-hoc amateur committee cannot.</p>
<p>As for &#8220;collaborative stories&#8221;&#8211;I&#8217;ve actually seen this done a number of times on writers&#8217; groups.  It always turns into a game, where each person tries to get the protagonist into increasingly absurd situations that are increasingly hard for the next writer to get the protagonist out of. Likewise, every writer tries to totally change the setting. It&#8217;s very funny, but it&#8217;s a terrible way to tell a real story.</p>
<p>But, since many people are unanalytical about the value of the free content of the net, seeing the good as much the same as the bad, I think it is important for publishers&#8211;regardless of whether they publish e-books or print books&#8211;to educate the public as much and as often as possible about the value of works that are professionally researched, written, edited, designed, indexed, etc.  In other words, to have a marketing stance of &#8220;you get what you pay for&#8221;; that amateur freebies are generally free for a good reason, but that professional works are charged for because they are well worth the money.</p>
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		<title>By: Publishing Expert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Publishing Expert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 00:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting ideas, Marion. There are massive changes happening in how information is disseminated and (although it will not happen overnight) there will be much bigger issues to deal with than just the important ones you raise here. 

Not only are people (especially younger people) used to spending a lot of time with screens, they are accustomed to getting information in &quot;byte-size&quot; pieces, such as with text messaging and Twitter. And information is becoming more collaborative with sites such as Wikipedia.

Will &quot;books&quot; of any kind, p- or e-, be around in 100 years? 50 years? One of the goals expressed by the people at Google is to make all of the world&#039;s information accessible. There may not be a need for information to be collected in one specific place if the collective knowledge is available to be searched instantly. 

What about fiction? Perhaps the novel as we know it will disappear, to be replaced by ongoing collaborations where everyone can be a part of telling the story. 

Of course, it is possible that great writing will always be respected and novels will be available in some format for many millennia. But I believe we have to accept that there will be massive changes in how people access information and entertainment. Even better, we should embrace change for the possibilities it offers. 

If we small publishers are open to new ideas, we can create opportunities while the giants are holding meetings and trying to figure out what is happening. The Internet (and companies such as Amazon.com) have leveled the playing field in many ways. New technologies will help the &quot;little guy&quot; even more in the future.

Cathy Stucker
Special Interests Publishing</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting ideas, Marion. There are massive changes happening in how information is disseminated and (although it will not happen overnight) there will be much bigger issues to deal with than just the important ones you raise here. </p>
<p>Not only are people (especially younger people) used to spending a lot of time with screens, they are accustomed to getting information in &#8220;byte-size&#8221; pieces, such as with text messaging and Twitter. And information is becoming more collaborative with sites such as Wikipedia.</p>
<p>Will &#8220;books&#8221; of any kind, p- or e-, be around in 100 years? 50 years? One of the goals expressed by the people at Google is to make all of the world&#8217;s information accessible. There may not be a need for information to be collected in one specific place if the collective knowledge is available to be searched instantly. </p>
<p>What about fiction? Perhaps the novel as we know it will disappear, to be replaced by ongoing collaborations where everyone can be a part of telling the story. </p>
<p>Of course, it is possible that great writing will always be respected and novels will be available in some format for many millennia. But I believe we have to accept that there will be massive changes in how people access information and entertainment. Even better, we should embrace change for the possibilities it offers. </p>
<p>If we small publishers are open to new ideas, we can create opportunities while the giants are holding meetings and trying to figure out what is happening. The Internet (and companies such as Amazon.com) have leveled the playing field in many ways. New technologies will help the &#8220;little guy&#8221; even more in the future.</p>
<p>Cathy Stucker<br />
Special Interests Publishing</p>
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